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Salukfan
PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:25 am    Post subject:
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I think that theory is ...

(•_•) / ( •_•)>⌐■-■ / (⌐■_■)

Jumping the shark.

YEEEEEEAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!



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This was a great movie for not only the character development, but I think the subject matter was something very relatable concerning the Aladdin/Cassim relationship, and that was kind of a huge thing for a Disney movie ( a sequel at that ), to undertake, and I thought it was handled really well. Going back to the character development thing, the fact that Aladdin was able to stand on his own and be his own man even without having his father growing up was and is a really hopeful sort of example for kids to have, and even as a kid I liked that.


The Aladdin series on whole really did handle character development well. From tackling tough issues like death (with Jasmine actually dying and Aladdin/Genie having the conversation about Aladdin's mortality) to relationship squabbles or whatever, the series did it well. Plus, you can see the character's changing and growing throughout. Despite some regressions (ie Rasoul), the series did a fantastic job.

Back to KOT specifically, I like that while the 40 Thieves were played as a bit silly, Sa'luk was allowed to be a serious villain, one that's smart, cunning, and a worthy adversary.
Princess of Agrabah
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:01 pm    Post subject:
Salukfan wrote:
In regards to character growth, I want to mention Iago as well. He had some incredible growth over the course of the movies and series, probably the most of any character.

His choice to leave at the end of King of Thieves, to travel with a kindred spirit instead of stay around and live in the luxury he wanted for the whole of the series is a big transformation for him. I think it comes down to him finally finding a person he feels in belongs with, rather than being completely evil with Jafar or trying to be completely good with Aladdin and company. I'm sure Iago will complain about his random travelling in the desert, but I bet he and Cassim will have a lot of fun.


Definitely agreed!

This was a great movie for not only the character development, but I think the subject matter was something very relatable concerning the Aladdin/Cassim relationship, and that was kind of a huge thing for a Disney movie ( a sequel at that ), to undertake, and I thought it was handled really well. Going back to the character development thing, the fact that Aladdin was able to stand on his own and be his own man even without having his father growing up was and is a really hopeful sort of example for kids to have, and even as a kid I liked that.
Meesh
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:22 pm    Post subject:
I think that theory is ...

(•_•) / ( •_•)>⌐■-■ / (⌐■_■)

Jumping the shark.

YEEEEEEAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Salukfan
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:30 pm    Post subject:
Sa'luk also has yellow-ish eyes, I wouldn't be surprised if there's an underlying medical issue there. Laughing There's quite a mix of skin tones in the 40 Thieves, though the weirdest is the fakir who's pretty much green. What? Laughing

People have theorized that Sa'luk is possibly Mongolian, because he has a similar skin tone to the Huns in Mulan. Either that or his father is a cigarette or something. Laughing



EDIT: Ooh! Wild theorizing time! There's the bit where Sa'luk kills the shark and his eyes look super shark-like for a moment. Maybe, just maybe, Sa'luk had a run-in with Saleen at one point. He was turned into a shark, like Aladdin, but his spell wasn't broken very well, so he still has shark attributes, like gray skin, oddly colored eyes, and super strength. Plus, we know he hates magic and that could be because he got all caught up with the wrong sea witch.

BOOM! Theorized! Laughing
AladdinsGenie
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:32 pm    Post subject:
Giving him a flesh tone is actually better because it humanizes him in to something familiar and realistic (they do with this Jafar on the ROJ poster, too). The gray color just implies he's not human because who on Earth has gray skin except animals and people who don't have enough oxygen/blood flowing through their bodies (mostly corpses Laughing)? It's a coded way to off-set the villains from the rest of the cast to make their defeat matter less.

But this does beg the question what on Earth race IS Sa'luk?
Salukfan
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:48 am    Post subject:
(okay, please tell me if I do the images wrong this time. Laughing )

I want to bring up a seedy and important issue lurking in the marketing and promotion of Aladdin and the King of Thieves: the blatant disrespect of Sa'luk.

Namely, no one could be bothered to get Sa'luk's race right. Laughing

The film couldn't always bother either, but shhhh.

In the media/merchandise:



Sa'luk is endlessly offended. His skin is gray, people. Look at him adamantly showing off!

Salukfan
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:59 pm    Post subject:
AladdinsGenie wrote:
I should probably mention I've been editing the posts and changing the pictures to the right code Laughing


My hero. Laughing Thank you!

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That is my understanding of an anti-hero, somebody who lacks a clear sense of virtue but isn't evil. (I always think of Captain Jack Sparrow as the pinnacle.)


No, you're right there. I took the "anti" too seriously for a bit there. It's been way too long since I've taken an English course, man. Laughing
Meesh
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:13 pm    Post subject:
Yeah, I had self-motivation in my definition but must have taken it out. BUT YEAH THAT.

I've ALWAYS looked at Iago as one, but I'm thinking maybe Cassim too. He has a good heart but looks out for himself in most situations.

"You're good... but not too good." Smile
AladdinsGenie
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:02 pm    Post subject:
Meesh wrote:
That is my understanding of an anti-hero, somebody who lacks a clear sense of virtue but isn't evil. (I always think of Captain Jack Sparrow as the pinnacle.)


I've always read them as someone who isn't trying to do good but ends up doing good anyway in the process of whatever goal they're trying to accomplish (usually self-motivated).
AladdinsGenie
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:01 pm    Post subject:
I should probably mention I've been editing the posts and changing the pictures to the right code Laughing it's [ i m g ] format, Samantha, not the < i m g> format. You don't need anything other than the URL address. If you highlight the pasted link in this box and then press the img button it'll add the code for you.
Meesh
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:51 pm    Post subject:
I see them now Smile

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suppose Cassim and Iago are anti-heroes, though I think it's more that they're just sort of neutral and play the sides that they think need to be played. If I had to guess, Cassim plays a bit more to the good side and Iago a bit more to the bad side, but neither one of them moves far beyond the gray area.


That is my understanding of an anti-hero, somebody who lacks a clear sense of virtue but isn't evil. (I always think of Captain Jack Sparrow as the pinnacle.)
Salukfan
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:43 pm    Post subject:
I suppose Cassim and Iago are anti-heroes, though I think it's more that they're just sort of neutral and play the sides that they think need to be played. If I had to guess, Cassim plays a bit more to the good side and Iago a bit more to the bad side, but neither one of them moves far beyond the gray area.

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(Also the links in your second post don't work, although I just copied and pasted the URL part)


The pictures don't work? That's weird, I can see them just fine. Let me check it out.
Meesh
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:51 pm    Post subject:
Salukfan wrote:
I think it comes down to him finally finding a person he feels in belongs with, rather than being completely evil with Jafar or trying to be completely good with Aladdin and company.


Also true! Do you think Iago and Cassim could be classified as anti-heroes?

(Also the links in your second post don't work, although I just copied and pasted the URL part)
Crazy for Al
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:48 pm    Post subject:
I love KoT. I think it may very well be my favorite Aladdin film (even though the original is good too.) The songs are great, the characters are just amazing, it's just very well done. (Yes, the quality of the animation is meh, but we can overlook that, right?
Salukfan
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:26 pm    Post subject:
I plan to share a couple little things from KOT just because today. I'm feeling rather nostalgic at the moment. Sorry if I'm posting too much! Laughing

This is one of my favorite little background things:



Look at that poor thief in the middle. He's not even that interested in what's going on. Reason? He's starving:



A failed wedding raid makes for a mighty hungry thief. Laughing

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